JAD: Wait. Well of course, there could be a whole -- any number of reasons why, you know, one tree's affected by another. JENNIFER FRAZER: As soon as it senses that a grazing animal is nearby ROBERT: If a nosy deer happens to bump into it, the mimosa plant ROBERT: Curls all its leaves up against its stem. LARRY UBELL: You got somewhere to go? ROBERT: Oh! Remember that the roots of these plants can either go one direction towards the sound of water in a pipe, or the other direction to the sound of silence. No boink anymore. Along with a home-inspection duo, a science writer, and some enterprising . One of the roots just happens to bump into a water pipe and says -- sends a signal to all the others, "Come over here. And then what happens? So light is -- if you shine light on a plant you're, like, feeding it? She took that notion out of the garden into her laboratory. So we are going to meet a beautiful little plant called a mimosa pudica, which is a perfectly symmetrical plant with leaves on either side of a central stem. ROBERT: But Monica says what she does do is move around the world with a general feeling of ROBERT: What if? MONICA GAGLIANO: It's a very biased view that humans have in particular towards others. They can also send warning signals through the fungus. But that day with the roots is the day that she began thinking about the forest that exists underneath the forest. That is definitely cool. ROBERT: Five, four, three, two, one, drop! More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org.]. Oh, so this is, like, crucial. ROBERT: And you can actually see this happen. ROBERT: That would be sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals. JAD: You're doing the -- like, okay first it was the roots under the ground all connected into a whole hive thing. If the -- if the tube system is giving the trees the minerals, how is it getting it, the minerals? ROBERT: And we dropped it once, and twice. And the classic case of this is if you go back a few centuries ago, someone noticed that plants have sex. Okay. SUZANNE SIMARD: And we were able to map the network. They can't take up CO2. JENNIFER FRAZER: And he would repeat this. We dropped. No question there. A tree needs something else. But we are in the home inspection business. And the pea plant leans toward them. And Basically expanding it from a kind of a column of a pit to something that's -- we could actually grab onto his front legs and pull him out. And she goes on to argue that had we been a little bit more steady and a little bit more consistent, the plants would have learned and would have remembered the lesson. MONICA GAGLIANO: Like for example, my plants were all in environment-controlled rooms, which is not a minor detail. They learned something. And we dropped it once and twice. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org]. LARRY UBELL: It's kind of like a cold glass sitting on your desk and there's always a puddle at the bottom. JENNIFER FRAZER: Anyone who's ever had a plant in a window knows that. ROBERT: When people first began thinking about these things, and we're talking in the late 1800s, they had no idea what they were or what they did, but ultimately they figured out that these things were very ancient, because if you look at 400-million-year-old fossils of some of the very first plants JENNIFER FRAZER: You can see, even in the roots of these earliest land plants JENNIFER FRAZER: This is a really ancient association. So Monica moves the fans to a new place one more time. And it's good it was Sunday. I mean the fungus is JENNIFER FRAZER: No, no, no. [laughs]. It involves a completely separate organism I haven't mentioned yet. If you look at these particles under the microscope, you can see the little tunnels. ROBERT: Absolutely not. On the fifth day, they take a look and discover most of the roots, a majority of the roots were heading toward the sound of water. And we dropped it once, and twice. To remember? Because I have an appointment. ROBERT: She took some plants, put them in a pot that restricted the roots so they could only go in one of just two directions, toward the water pipe or away from the water pipe. ROBERT: They shade each other. And then someone has to count. There's not a leak in the glass. JENNIFER FRAZER: And he would repeat this. So they can't move. They play with sound and story in a way that's incredibly intriguing, I was instantly hooked with More Perfect. She's done three experiments, and I think if I tell you about what she has done, you -- even you -- will be provoked into thinking that plants can do stuff you didn't imagine, dream they could do. They have to -- have to edit in this together. All right, my hypothesis is that what happens is You got somewhere to go? This feels one of those experiments where you just abort it on humanitarian grounds, you know? We went to the Bronx, and when we went up there, we -- there was this tall man waiting for us. Sugar. Different kind of signal traveling through the soil? Never mind.". I was like, "Oh, my God! This is the plant and pipe mystery. To remember? Yeah, and hopefully not be liquefied by the fungus beneath us. JAD: It was curling each time when it ROBERT: Every time. My reaction was like, "Oh ****!" I mean, can you remember what you were doing a month ago? And I remember it was Sunday, because I started screaming in my lab. I don't want that.". And Jigs at some point just runs off into the woods, just maybe to chase a rabbit. No matter how amazing I think that the results are, for some reason people just don't think plants are interesting. ROBERT: So that voice belongs to Aatish Bhatia, who is with Princeton University's Council on Science and Technology. And you can actually see this happen. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: My name is Jennifer Frazer. JENNIFER FRAZER: They're some other kind of category. Radiolab: Smarty Plants. So you just did what Pavlov did to a plant. Actually, Monica's dog leads perfectly into her third experiment, which again will be with a plant. SUZANNE SIMARD: Yeah, he was a curious dog. That would be sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals-sugar-minerals. Like so -- and I think that, you know, the whole forest then, there's an intelligence there that's beyond just the species. ], [LARRY UBELL: Radiolab was created by Jad Abumrad and is produced by Soren Wheeler. [laughs] When I write a blog post, my posts that get the least traffic guaranteed are the plant posts. Is there anyone whose job it is to draw a little chalk outlines around the springtails? Hopefully I tied that into cannabis well enough to not get removed. LARRY UBELL: Me first. It's like a savings account? That's what she says. She says it was like this moment where she realizes, "Oh, my God! It's not leaking. Absolutely not. Or No. Or maybe it's the fungus under the ground is kind of like a broker and decides who gets what. This is like metaphor is letting in the light as opposed to shutting down the blinds. ROBERT: say they're very curious, but want to see these experiments repeated. ROBERT: Isn't that what you do? ROY HALLING: The last kind of part of the root gets tangled just around the edge. Like, as in the fish. It's a family business. This is the plant and pipe mystery. You should definitely go out and check out her blog, The Artful Amoeba, especially to the posts, the forlorn ones about plants. SUZANNE SIMARD: They can't photosynthesize. ROBERT: But instead of dogs, she had pea plants in a dark room. If a plant doesn't have a brain what is choosing where to go? Wait a second. Listen to Radiolab: "Smarty Plants" on Pandora - Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? ROBERT: And I met a plant biologist who's gonna lead that parade. Landing very comfortably onto a padded base made of foam. ALVIN UBELL: The glass is not broken. You're doing the -- like, okay first it was the roots under the ground all connected into a whole hive thing. And I'm wondering whether Monica is gonna run into, as she tries to make plants more animal-like, whether she's just gonna run into this malice from the scientific -- I'm just wondering, do you share any of that? AATISH BHATIA: So this is our plant dropper. Share. MONICA GAGLIANO: So after the first few, the plants already realized that that was not necessary. Now, can you -- can you imagine what we did wrong? In my brain. I guess you could call it a mimosa plant drop box. LINCOLN TAIZ: I think you can be open-minded but still objective. And his idea was to see if he could condition these dogs to associate that food would be coming from the sound of a bell. Then she takes the little light and the little fan and moves them to the other side of the plant. ALVIN UBELL: In a tangling of spaghetti-like, almost a -- and each one of those lines of spaghetti is squeezing a little bit. LATIF: Yeah. I mean, couldn't it just be like that? Why is this network even there? And after not a whole lot of drops the plant, she noticed, stopped closing its leaves. And I need a bird, a lot of birds, actually. Yeah. These guys are actually doing it." Gebel. And she says she began to notice things that, you know, one wouldn't really expect. We dropped. SUZANNE SIMARD: So we know that Douglas fir will take -- a dying Douglas fir will send carbon to a neighboring Ponderosa pine. And it was almost like, let's see how much I have to stretch it here before you forget. So I don't have an issue with that. We are the principals of Accurate Building Inspectors of Brooklyn, New York. Each one an ounce, an ounce, an ounce, an ounce, an ounce. Finally, one time he did not bring the meat, but he rang the bell. I don't know yet. This episode was produced by Annie McEwen. Which by the way, is definitely not a plant. I don't know if that was the case for your plants. Back and forth. I go out and I thought there's no one here on Sunday afternoon. ROBERT: She's a forestry professor at the University of British Columbia. LATIF: It's like Snow White and The Seven Tubes or something. They have to -- have to edit in this together. The next one goes, "Uh-oh." ROBERT: And then she waited a few more days and came back. Today, Robert drags Jad along on a parade for the surprising feats of brainless plants. One time, the plant literally flew out of the pot and upended with roots exposed. And so they have this trading system with trees. No matter how amazing I think that the results are, for some reason people just don't think plants are interesting. ROBERT: But that day with the roots is the day that she began thinking about the forest that exists underneath the forest. It's like a savings account? And she goes on to argue that had we been a little bit more steady and a little bit more consistent, the plants would have learned and would have remembered the lesson. That's amazing and fantastic. They may have this intelligence, maybe we're just not smart enough yet to figure it out. So they figured out who paid for the murder. MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah, I know. We dropped. And you don't see it anywhere. ROBERT: This is very like if you had a little helmet with a light on it. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: Soren Wheeler is Senior Editor. JAD: Well, okay. So after the first few, the plants already realized that that was not necessary. ROBERT: We, as you know, built your elevator. [ENRIQUE: This is Enrique Romero from the bordertown of Laredo, Texas. ROBERT: And on this particular day, she's with the whole family. And the -- I'm gonna mix metaphors here, the webs it weaves. On the outside of the pipe. ROBERT: And she was willing to entertain the possibility that plants can do something like hear. JAD: What -- I forgot to ask you something important. And so they have this trading system with trees. The tree has a lot of sugar. The whole thing immediately closes up and makes it look like, "Oh, there's no plant here. It's condensation. JENNIFER FRAZER: The fungus has this incredible network of tubes that it's able to send out through the soil, and draw up water and mineral nutrients that the tree needs. So you think that that this -- you think this is a hubris corrector? The plants would always grow towards the light. I mean, you're out there in the forest and you see all these trees, and you think they're individuals just like animals, right? It was like -- it was like a huge network. And moved around, but always matched in the same way together. MONICA GAGLIANO: Picasso! They secrete acid. It doesn't ROBERT: I know, I know. With when they actually saw and smelled and ate meat. So that's where these -- the scientists from Princeton come in: Peter, Sharon and Aatish. ANNIE: Yeah. I'm gonna just go there. And a little wind. There was some kind of benefit from the birch to the fur. Well, it depends on who you ask. So otherwise they can't photosynthesize. Ring, meat, eat. Ring, meat, eat. This is Ashley Harding from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada. And the pea plant leans toward them. ], Radiolab was created by Jad Abumrad and is produced by Soren Wheeler. So she's saying they remembered for almost a month? She's a forestry professor at the University of British Columbia. Had indeed turned and moved toward the fan, stretching up their little leaves as if they were sure that at any moment now light would arrive. These guys are actually doing it." Fan, light, lean. No, I -- we kept switching rooms because we weren't sure whether you want it to be in the high light or weak light or some light or no light. I was like, "Oh, my God! Different kind of signal traveling through the soil? Actually that's good advice for anyone. And so we're up there in this -- in this old forest with this guy. And I'm wondering whether Monica is gonna run into, as she tries to make plants more animal-like, whether she's just going to run into this malice from the scientific -- I'm just wondering, do you share any of that? But we are in the home inspection business. Five, four, three, two, one, drop! Like, how can a plant -- how does a plant do that? They can't photosynthesize. They're father and son. Hi. ROBERT: This happens to a lot of people. Or maybe slower? It's almost as if these plants -- it's almost as if they know where our pipes are. The plants have to keep pulling their leaves up and they just get tired. Exactly. We're just learning about them now, and they're so interesting. You got the plant to associate the fan with food. Enough of that! So they can't move. Same as the Pavlov. It's time -- time for us to go and lie down on the soft forest floor. JENNIFER FRAZER: An anti-predator reaction? ROBERT: She found that the one stimulus that would be perfect was MONICA GAGLIANO: A little fan. And again. That apparently -- jury's still out. Fan first, light after. ROBERT: When you go into a forest, you see a tree, a tall tree. Well, maybe. Yeah, absolutely. ROBERT: And the idea was, she wanted to know like, once the radioactive particles were in the tree, what happens next? ROBERT: What happened to you didn't happen to us. It was summertime. Me first. ROBERT: But the drop was just shocking and sudden enough for the little plant to ROBERT: Do its reflex defense thing. ROBERT: She says one of the weirdest parts of this though, is when sick trees give up their food, the food doesn't usually go to their kids or even to trees of the same species. ROBERT: There's -- they have found salmon in tree rings. ROBERT: Suzanne says she's not sure if the tree is running the show and saying like, you know, "Give it to the new guy." Are going to make me rethink my stance on plants. Listen to one of these podcasts: (Read the summaries and choose the one you want) Radiolab - Update: CRISPR Radiolab - Cellmates Radiolab - Shrink Radiolab - From Tree to Shining Tree Radiolab - Antibodies Part 1: CRISPR Radiolab - Galapagos Radiolab - Smarty Plants Radiolab - Super Cool For the main post please include: Title Submitted by Irene Kaufman on Sun, 04/08/2018 - 12:58pm. ROBERT: And she goes into that darkened room with all the pea plants. 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