Acts 6:9 But resistance arose from what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen, including Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and men from the provinces of Cilicia and Asia. The concept of a rabbi was extremely new in Paul's time, and he probably didn't study under one. That is not really the case. With respect to Hellenism, Hillel was more open to Hellenism than Shammai and was therefore more open to cooperation with the Romans. While he agrees with Gamaliel, Paul wants to protect that which he loves. He sent Shaul to the gentiles to teach his message and he is a Pharisee. When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles: Simon.. [Luke 6:12-14], Again three chapters later, When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. [Luke 9:1-2], .3) Gospel of Matthew which is organized by theme, not necessarily in chronological order. Also known as Saul of Tarsus, he had been rescued by Roman troops and now faced the people from a stairway near the temple in Jerusalem. It is best to study what the schools of Judaism taught during that era of that temple. How can we account for this violent reaction in a man trained by Gamaliel? [erase erase erase], Of course, you both are specifically mentioned in Acts 6:2. This is exactly what I am talking about, I have regularly posted articles on this blog saying the earliest Christians were Jewish and I often say in classes (and I am sure I have said it someplace here) that the earliest Christian theology (either Jesus or Paul) was quite similar to the Pharisees. Last Update: October 15, 2022. At the Last Supper, Jesus said to His Apostles: You are those who have stood by me in my trials. He studied under the best Jewish teachers including the well-respected teacher, Gamaliel . .1) There is more New Testament text written specifically about the Church in Corinth than any other church, by far. The Hat is, What were Pauls sins?, The music starts, with a cheery blast of trumpets in a melody that is familiar to most North Americans- the Mexican Hat Dance. (The national dance of Mexico, taught in Mexican public schools since 1921, and officially named El Jarabe Tapatio.), A couple in rather elaborate traditional costumes begins the dance. 2. Why are you waiting, be of those who bow to Gods Will if you know that the Bible has lies in it and is corrupt, you must believe that a true religion exists in the world and isnt a secluded secret for the few who know! Evidence for this more accommodating opinion is found in the book of Acts, although some (like Chilton) are not completely convinced Acts portrays Gamaliel accurately. He had nowhere to sleep, and had to go stay in a hotel for several days. Critics also say that Pauls exegesis takes from later documents. Here however it plainly is not. But if we want to get closest to The Source, Jesus himself, it makes sense that we should look first to the eyewitness testimony of two of His appointed Apostles who walked with Him faithfully for over 3 years, Matthew & John. Deuteronomy 29:29. Jesus came to fulfill Law and Prophets and He will. Plenty of time for him to get familiar with popular Greek culture in order to draw appropriate analogies. This is what happens when you dont study near eastern culture and context before reading scripture. Responding to a question from Peter, Jesus said to them: you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. [Matthew 19:28]. .1) Fuhrer. And 1 as 1. I wont say Im high on Jesus, and so using a mind-altering drug for recreational purposes is wrong, because Jesus is better. I dont want to be rejected by my peers. As has been said multiple times above, it is fairly common for a pupil to break off from his teachers opinion. I interpret 6 months of silence to mean: even if no one here has the courage to agree with me publicly, no one in the world can open a Bible and prove me wrong from the Bible text on these specific points Ive raised here. Benjamin was a euphemism for Herodian Jew btw so Pharisee or not Paul was loyal to Herod, his friend was foster brother of Herod the tetrarch or Herod something, but Herod. Law. Judas obviously didnt stand by Jesus in his trial, as the whole world knows. This post is about how God continued to prepare Paul for his mission through his studies at the feet of Gamaliel.. Jesus commissioned the eleven With everything I have commanded you Teaching THEM to obey Jesus And THEM means me and you ! Paul is a Hillel talmudim through and though. Never mind what Paul said. Needless to say, many still revere Philomena and Christopher as saints. Gamaliel. You will be called Rocky. Similarly,When did Paul study under Gamaliel? Yet when I site a blatant argument that Peter and Paul are having is an argument Shammi and Hillel schools had, between each other youre mute. Is AARP PO Box 93143 Long Beach CA 90809-9720 a valid address? Second, Tarsus also exposed Paul to different cultures. [22] The Roman Catholic church views him as a Saint and listed him in the Roman Martyrology for August 3. Sign up. For example, Polhill says, The most interesting ruling preserved from Rabban Gamaliel was his insistence that a woman had the right to remarry upon the testimony of a single witness that her husband had died. Paul has already been briefly mentioned in Acts in Chapters 7 and 8, in connection with the stoning of Stephen. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. I am not sure we can know, but Aramaic seems likely, although Scripture would be studied in Hebrew. In support of this alternative, it has long been noted that Galatians 1:16-24 appears to describe a . But you are still not a Muslim when our Quran is incorruptible and agrees with the teachings of Issa (p) more so than theology of Orthodox Church or any Christian denomination! No mention of a cloudy past No hint of condemnation. On analogy to Supreme Court Justices dissenting in limited and specific cases (anomolies) as a dissenting minority against a majority with whom the dissent would normally agree? Wright (and others) point out that Gamaliel II seems more, er, pacifist Acts, while Paul seems to want to zealously pursue those who are accusing the High Priest of killing an innocent man. Like a little squirrel dressed up As a flying superhero We give ourselves the Title And zoom around the atmosphere Oh! (Acts 18:18) Reference to Torah (num 6:2-6, 13-18) Paul leave Philippi after Observing Unleavened bread (1 Cor. It isnt a question of mens opinions about what Paul really meant or what Paul must have known or what Paul was actually referring to here or what Paul was clearly implying or what we must conclude that Paul was assuming, etc. I wonder what would happen if by his own mouth ,he will say Im Roman now what do you call someone that say things and then change .. The second passage refers to Paul. I think Sam is right (somewhere up the thread), one can differ from his teacher, sometimes radically. ), STEP 4) Paul said; Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Definition of tentmaker 1 : one that makes tents. First off reading the first paragraph, his human teachers and influences matter almost as much as guidance by the Holy Spirit did. . First, Gamaliel was one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. What ends up as what we call Christianity and Judaism today both some out of the turmoil of the first two centuries. There is also a fair bit of controversy about Paul. Jesus was asked twice, by two different men, the same basic question about which is the most important or greatest commandment in the Law. He was an expert in the law. It sounds so right, so intelligent, so professional, so godly.. but it is fundamentally flawed. It is an observation of fact that much of Matthew is simply copied from Mark. I really will Stand up, stand up for Jesus, and wave his banner high- just not right now in 1973. The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ? I pray that you will be blessed with the knowledge of Jesus Christ and Gods love through the cross for you. Christian Pharisees were not unknown, even if we cannot know for sure if the wishful thinking of the traditions is true about Gamaliel and Nicodemus. The Zealots were against the Political oppressors, the Sadducees were complacent and the Pharasees were die hard conservatives that had a history of killing over the strict preservation of the law (Polhill 27-28). Generally regarded as one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age , [8] [10] he founded several Christian communities in Asia Minor and Europe from the mid-40s to the mid-50s AD. Paul said: I became your father. Dr. Or see the series of posts on Core Beliefs of Second Temple Judaism starting here: https://readingacts.com/2017/03/30/core-beliefs-of-second-temple-judaism-shema/. I see zero Biblical basis for the idea that Paul trained Apollos, or that Paul granted specific authority to any other individual in Corinth other than himself. three years His claim before . take Paul leaving his honor spot of next chief of the Sanhedrin (being Gamaliel's student). No need to answer. Jesus reminds us from The Law at the beginning, the Creator made them male and female. [Matthew 19:4, Genesis 1:27], As to the question of whether the Bible is ALL truly Gods WORDS. Heres part two of this poem this spot seems the most appropriate place, I am he who searches hearts and minds says the Risen Jesus Christ Repent and do what you did at first Dont be lazy since He paid the price, Yes, Jesus sees our sins today Dont think that He is blind But the words of paul the Pharisee Will put you in a bind, Jesus washed away your sins Dont listen to paul the accuser paul abandoned the Church in Corinth And then paul became an abuser, When you put your trust in Jesus Yes, your stains were white as snow You didnt need to wear a Scarlet Letter Everywhere you go, I will repay each of you According to your deeds This is Jesus speaking to The Church Not a business selling felt needs, For those who claim to be apostles Jesus said they must be tested Priscilla, Aquila, and Apollos Persevered and were not bested, They exposed the false teachings Of paul the Pharisee So the Church in Ephesus rejected paul And had a chance to be free, Bibliography All quotes are the words of Jesus, in Revelation Chapter 2, Do we know what language was spoken in Gamaliels school or likely to have been spoken Hebrew or Aramaic? Its encouraging that God can use imperfect messengers like them, because it proves He can also use an imperfect man like me to advance His kingdom, when I humble myself, repent, and obey His commands. / Line ID 0840450211. Religious Jews, who were living under the Law, were asking Jesus (at that time a teacher of the Law) concerning The Law. Scripture does not state whether Saul was or was not in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus crucifixion. His training at the feet of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) according to the strict manner of the law of the Jews. Since the entire ministry framework both Yeshua and Paul are 100% Jewish, meaning adherence oral and written law, you are to view it from that lense. Paul has a track record in Scripture of boasting, exaggerating, and stretching the truth to promote himself and make himself appear more important than he really was. First, Gamaliel was one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. A better resource would be Shaye Cohen, The Beginnings of Jewishness: Boundaries, Varieties, Uncertainties (University of California Press, 2001). So the biggest problem with the church in Corinth was Paul himself, and his abusive absentee leadership style. If you continue to post long rambling and inaccurate responses I will ban you from the site. Well Maybe that spirit isnt the Holy Spirit of Jesus, maybe you are bound in spirit by the evil spirit of Paul the Pharisee. Moseley is not wrong: the earliest Christ followers were Jewish and no one tried to convert to Christianity, but that is because there was no Christianity to convert to at that point. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. [Philippians 3:12-13] (Response- They say third times a charm. In this case, that assumption would clearly be wrong. Whom I might add are much more well versed that you in that subject. Yet hes from the school of Shammi? Maybe there is someone I could bounce this off, to get some ideas. Not 1 as in 3 in 1. Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; Numbers 7:59 chapter context similar meaning "And for a sacrifice of peace offerings, two oxen, five rams, five he goats, five lambs of the first year: this was the offering of Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur." . The game the dogs play is the same today, Except now they do it on blogs. To which Paul replied, youre fired. Paul then took his team of painters, and started painting the garage and the house. According to Polhill there were many individual groups in First century Judaism before the war of 66-70 The different groups had much in common But each had its own combination of characteristics (Polhill 28). If Saul is in fact a disciple of Gamaliel, then he seems to have a considerably different opinion on how to handle the apostolic witness when we meet him in Acts 9. He was raised in a Jewish society and home because everyone in the entire New Testament are Jews (or converts) who followed Torah. The Lord Our God is ONE God Greatest Commandment according to the Messiah (p). God wants to welcome anyone into His family who has the desire to seek, follow, obey, trust, and love God. But we surely can trust that Paul was as Acts 22:3 states: I am indeed a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, taught according to the strictness of our fathers law, and was zealous toward God as you all are today.. You who were formerly known as gentiles. It was no less difficult then, yet it was No research was taken into account of what the yeshivas of HIllel and Shammi taught and believed. He has Masters degrees in Biblical Exposition and Old Testament from Talbot School of Theology (BIOLA) and a PhD in New Testament from Andrews University. This applies to the Pharisee sect. May I ask which verses of Scripture you are basing this on? Its all a part of Gods perfect timing and plan. Pharisee ruled that executions created a bloody Sanhedrin and if you had more than one a year, it was considered a bloody Sanhedrin. God bless you all. This is the reason why Yeshua said that Pharisee should be the the ones teaching. These mostly have something to do with marriage and divorce. As a side note, Wright has an excellent article on that on http://www.ntwrightpage.com here: http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Paul_Arabia_Elijah.pdf. When and where did they first meet. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than THESE. [Mark 12:28-31, Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Leviticus 19:18], #2 an expert in the law, tested him [Jesus] with this question: Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?, Jesus replied: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. Even Festus said that Paul was very learned, Acts 26:24. Begins with a consonant. I have also posted dozens of articles on the literature of the Second Temple Period, all of which ought to interest you. This article is the result of when you remove the culture/context of the scriptures, the Hebraics of the Brist Chadasha (Renewed Testament) and injecting the christian outlook that Shaul (Paul) divorced his Jewish roots. . However, as he got farther along in his faith and was eventually converted to Christianity, he became more like a Hillelite which was what Gamaliel was. ), STEP 5) Paul said; I do not understand what I do. Rather than the many trails of supposition. 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